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Article: 13641 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Problem switching from (ancient) shelltool to CDE's dttool (sol 9!)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC)
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Thanks for the reply, Frank!
I'll reply to your questions *as* I read it:
In article <ajtsvn$gj1$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <ajts6m$v0$1@panix1.panix.com>,
>David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
>: I just got a sunblade100, and have installed on it
>: the just-released Solaris 9. Nice OS, lots of
>: nifty features, I'm told.
>:
>: However, one big problem: no more support
>: for shelltool, which, after years of threats
>: from Sun, doesn't exist on 9. (I'm now wearing
>: a black armband!)
>:
>: (I've read, in comp.unix.solaris, that you can't (either
>: easily, or at all), move the solaris-7 (or 8) shelltool
>: executable to 9 and have it work, because Sun has also
>: removed various other things that are needed for
>: shelltool to run.)
>:
>: Anyway, it doesn't work too well; I think the
>: immediate problems can be boiled down to solving
>: this one problem:
>:
>Define "it". First you said you could not use shell tool
>on Solaris 9, so what are you using instead? dttool?
>xtool? ...
Modem, extra disks, tape drive, etc, still hooked
to sparc5 (has solaris 7), and was trying
the dtterm there, to see what problems I'd have
when I did move modem, etc, over to the blade100.
>: (1) You say "ls -ls", and the screen (at my "shell
>: account" at the other end, to which I'm dialing into via
>: kermit) fills with, uh, ls-lines.
>:
>: Now do "vi some-file" -- all those ls-lines are still
>: there, just overlaid by the "black" chars in some-file.
>:
>: You hit ^L -- nothing happens.
>:
>: You exit or ^Z vi, and try ^L again; still nothing.
>:
>: You type the cmd "clear"; nothing happens.
>:
>This would suggest that whatever you are using for a terminal
>emulator on Solaris 9 is not the same terminal type as the
>one you get with shell tool. AND/OR that the host doesn't know
>what type of terminal it is (what does "echo $TERM" on the
>host say?) OR that the host has the terminal name but doesn't
>support it. Or it supports it, but not correctly, etc etc.
>: (Could I 'research" this myself? Doubtful --
>: I've *never* yet been able to comprehend the
>: ins and outs of serial communications, so much
>: so that even after a few years of using kermit
>: for my isp connection, I still get neither color
>: nor eg french accents. Maybe you have a cookbook
>: way to enable that stuff, *without* my having to
>: understand what's behind it?)
>:
>C-Kermit has a manual that explains this stuff in great detail,
>complete with pictures.
And it's one super book, has everything in it,
features I've never heard of, nor (and here's
how little I know) what use you'd make of such
a feature.
Plus there's those addendums you've come out
with.
But it seems to me that the stuff (to me) is so
hairy that you'd have to know a fair bit just
to read certain (many) parts.
Now, I do have these books by Stevens -- maybe
it's high time that I learn some of this stuff, and
then I might actually *understand* some of what
your program is doing for me.
>For French accents, you have to get C-Kermit to (a) use 8-bit
>characters ("set terminal byte 8") and (b) convert whatever
>character-set the remote host uses for French to whatever
>character-set your terminal emulator uses.
>
>For color, your terminal emulator (blah tool) has to support
>it and the host needs to be told what kind of terminal you have
>and needs to have a termcap/terminfo entry that knows about its
>color capabilities AND applications that use that
>termcap/terminfo (e.g. color ls) to do color presentations.
>
>- Frank
So I've got some studying to do, I guess.
You're saying that if I can get 8bit ascii
being communicated, I can see the french
stuff, and will see an e-accented-acute instead
of the "i" I now get for it?
And the termcap/terminfo -- I guess that
would be on the isp's machine, not mine?
If you had your druthers, what kind of
..term would *you* use: dtterm vs xterm?
What do you suppose the problem is with the
control-L not having the otherwise-universal
effect of re-displaying the screen?
Oh, and one more thing -- what chapters or page-ranges
would you have me work on (in your c-kermit book)?
For someone like me who seems to know nothing,
any particular order in which to read the
chapters/sections or page-ranges you suggest?
And FINALLY -- finally -- here's what I'm
running now (sort of ancient; maybe not
really):
-----
show version
Versions:
C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96
Numeric: 600192
UNIX Communications support, 6.0.169, 6 Sep 96 for Solaris 2.x
UNIX File support, 6.0.115 6 Sep 96 for Solaris 2.x
C-Kermit Protocol Module 6.0.095, 6 Sep 96
C-Kermit functions, 6.0.133, 6 Sep 96
Command package 6.0.088, 6 Sep 96
User Interface 6.0.177, 6 Sep 96
Character Set Translation 6.0.024, 4 Jul 96
CONNECT Command for UNIX, 6.0.083, 6 Sep 96
Dial Command, 6.0.091, 6 Sep 96
Script Command, 6.0.028, 8 Feb 96
Network support, 6.0.078, 6 Sep 1996
/myexternals/home/dkc] C-Kermit>
Oh -- a few months ago I did download
this:
drwxr-xr-x 2 dkc staff 2048 \
Jul 28 2001 8.0-beta--cku200b02
, but never built it. Would you prefer that
I try to get that running, instead of using
the v6?
Or maybe something even newer?
Thanks!
David Combs